"I love Peter. I have a thread going on why. He is (apart from sevvie and draco) my all-time favorite character. He had many reasons to do what he did and that's the crux of it. Bagging him out because you think he's evil when you haven't heard his side of the story makes you worse than him. Torture, imperius curse, and peer pressure could contribute to it. He was regretful and begged his friends apologies. When he turned to Voldemort in the fourth book it may only have been because Sirius and Remus, his lifelong friends, had rejected him and he was hurt. You are all entitled to your opinions and I to mine, but until I see the entire story, I cannot decide whether Peter was wrong or right in what he did."
"if it wasn't for him then Harry would have parents!!!!"
"No, not necessarily. If Voldemort was that set on killing them, he would have fond a way. I doubt Peter went up to him and said "Why don't you kill the Potters? Here's their living address...I'll just write it down for you in case you forget."
a) do you think Voldemort would have taken his advice? he wasn't even a Death Eater yet (or if he was then where was the mark when they checked him so they could perform the Fidelus Charm on him? I mean, do you think Dumbeldore wouldn't have made ABSOLUTE SURE he wasn't an Inner Death Eater? Voldemort could NOT risk that happening.)
b) Why would Peter want to do that anyway? If he was that dead-set on killing them, he must have had a reason, and I suspect a good one. He wasn't evil. he was weak. So he wouldn't be bold enough to put forward such an idea to his Master. His was only to obey, whether voluntarily or by force...but I'll get to that later.
And all you who yell at Peter -- yes you, with the mispelling, typos, netspeak, lack of capitals etc -- seem to forget that nothing is ever, EVER black and white. EVER!
Yes, Peter killed 12 people. Did he mean to? Sirius Black says yes. Harry only agrees with him because that is the only point of veiw he has heard. What if the answer was no?
Yes, Peter ran away from Sirius, and returned to Voldemort. I beleive he meant to return; was seeking Voldemort out, in fact. Why? Well, he'd just gone to his friends. He'd apologised. He'd begged for mercy. He was too hysterical, and too...Peter...to coherently tell his side of the story, and even if he had, I doubt they would have listened. The kids and Lupin were all too shocked to find out it was Peter, and Sirius was enraged. So he attempts to tell them, and they attempt to kill him. WOuld you run away? I know I would. Back into the arms of someone whom I could be useful to, good or bad. I think he expected more respect from Voldemort tan his friends gave him. He probably got it. Admittedly he had a lot of pain and misery to, but I suppose that is just.
Yes, Peter lived as a rat for 13 years. To escape justice? Yes, I'd say so. Voldemort and the Death eaters were out for his blood, and he couldn't take refuge with the Ministry due to them beleiving he was dead. however, Sirius implies he stayed with Ron because he was a wizard. I think no, he wasn't on the look out for news. He stayed with Ron because it was a good, safe home. And when he saw Harry Potter -- can you imagine how awful that must have been for him, to see the exact look alike of his old best friend, James Potter, every day for two years? 'Oh' I hear you protest 'He was gleeful. He wanted to kill Harry'. No, i don't think so. he wasn't evil. not like Voldemort evil, anyway. Or insane, for that matter. And he never did hurt Harry, and just because Sirius says it's because he's unsure and 'cowardly scum', doesn't make it so. He might have just not wanted to. He might actually be sorry, hard as it is for those of you to accept. After all, you don't go throwing judgement on Sirius for making Peter the Secret Keeper. He has remorse.
Yes, Peter betrayed the Potters. Did he know he was going to? Not necessarily. Have you ever been talking to a trusted friend and something just slipped out? What if *shakes rabid plot bunny off leg* Peter trusted Voldemort? What if he didn't even know Voldemort was evil? All of you are calling him as thick as two planks...well, wouldn't that account for some of the things he had done?
I personally beleive he wasn't so dumb. He performed these charms, became an Animagi (who CARES if he had help, he still managed to DO it) and graduated from Hogwarts (we suppose). But Sirius thought he was stupid. If Sirius was wrong on that (not necessarily lying, maybe just so ful of rage he couldn't see another option?) then maybe he was wrong on other accounts as well.
Can I just remind you all that we HAVEN'T HEARD THE FULL STORY.
If your mother/father/sister/brother (or someone else you love) was threatened by Voldemort, would you tell him what you wanted to know? To betray your friends, but save those who were closer than friends? Especially if you thought you could get away with it?
What if you were tortured, not for hours but for days on end (check the lexicon; there' a gap in the time-line) with no threat of death, no release. Just endless pain. Would you give up your secrets to get it to stop if you thought you could get away with it?
Peter says "the Dark Lord...he had his ways..." or something like that. Sirius, later, says "Then you should have died, as we would have done for you!" What if death wasn't an option? And even if it was, would you really sacrifice your life for friendship? look into yourself. When it came to the crux, would you, too, be the traitor?
I know, I know. I'm playing the 'what if..?' game. I'm using assumption to twist his words to my advantage. Yes?
Well, everyone else is doing that too. Show me a fact that Peter was evil, and I'l show you another that he was not. Cowardly, slimy and awful he may be, but he is human. No-one, I repeat, no-one deserves the Dementors Kiss.
I'd just like to nudge your mind a bit, and point out all the shades of grey. All the theories. All the "what if..?"s. Nothing was first-hand evidence, so nothing you say against Peter can be valid unless it happened in the Shreiking Shack, when the readers veiw was first-hand. What happened regarding Godric's Hollow has only been told to us from Sirius' point of veiw, with a few other takes from teachers etc. But to give him the Dementors Kiss is just as bad as sending Sirius to Azkaban without a trial. it is UNFAIR. SHould we not be allowed to hear both sides of the story? A jury,, such as you who condemn him take it upon yourself to be, must hear both sides of the story and make an unbiased decision.
Anyway, I'm rambling. Basically, I don't think Peter was evil. As some people pointed out, he was weak and cowardly. However, I highly doubt you who are reading this are able to tell me that you have never been weak and cowardly also.
There is a little of Peter in all of us. That's what makes him so interesting."
"Order and reason. Reason and order. Put the facts down properly, in the correct sequence, and eventually - after some thought - they will make sense." - Hercule Poirot.
"there are other reasons for people being overweight than just pigginess. He could have a genetical condition, or inherited it from a meber of his family, or have a slow metabolic rate.
In order of age? I think...
James, Remus, Sirius, Peter. Yes, I have Peter as youngest, as I can see them being rather overprotective of him, like being the youngest in a large family. Thus I can also see why they might think he is a bumbling fool; they never let him do anything by himself. Perhaps they didn't give him the chance to become an Animagi by himself, they just thought "Peter won't be able to manage that, but never mind, we'll help him" and began to tutor him. And Peter may or may not have accepted this.
Oh well, just a thought.
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